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September 12, 2007

North Carolina Poker Bust Update

by Otis

Within a few hours of the news breaking yesterday, word about Mike Gracz and Chris Bell's poker raid outside of Raliegh, NC had spread just about everywhere. The reporting on the story ranged from standard to lackluster to a bit sensational.

Because we at Up For Poker have spent more than a little time in underground Carolina poker rooms, we took more than a little interest in the North Carolina bust. [Blind to the authorities: No need to follow us around looking to find the card rooms. We're on a break.] So, we asked a few questions and got a few answers from a loyal reader who has spent some time in the North Carolina room.

From what we hear, the room had been in operation for some time, maybe as long as three years. The tournament in question was a $500 tourney with rebuys for the first level (2 hrs) plus an add on. The tournament usually pulled 75-100 players and paid the final table. The room operators ran satellites prior to the event and first prize was routinely $30,000-$40,000.

Apparently this tournament was the chief draw for the room. We're told that cash games ran around the tournament but not on any other days. The room had recently started offering smaller buy-in tournaments on the odd Sunday, but was not operatiing 24/7 and cetainly was not a "casino" as ALE agents were suggesting.

If there was one area where the North Carolina room set itself apart from other rooms, it was the alleged operation of non-poker games. According to one player, the table games were in action before the tournament kicked off or after many people had already busted. We're told a blackjack, craps, a roulette table were available. If there is an aggregious offense in all of this, it's this. While it should be obvious we don't believe gambling should be illegal anywhere, we think poker room operators have a responsbility to protect their players from busts. It's one thing to run a room based soley on playing poker, something that can be legally argued to be a game where players are playing against each other and not against the house. It's another thing entirely (and a lot more sexy for the cops and the media) to have an actual roulette wheel. Really, once an undercover makes it into your room and sees somebody rolling dice on a real craps table, how long do you think it's going to take him to get a warrant? It's one thing to try to convince a judge, "These men are playing cards and it looks illegal" versus, "Your honor, there was some guy who rolled eight straight points and kept screaming about his baby needing new shoes!"

As is the case in just about every place I've visited, the poker scene in North Carolina is as strong as you could possibly want and finding a game is pretty easy if you look. In nearby Rocky Mount, there are at least three rooms in operation and it's possible to play every night of the week (sounds a lot like G-Vegas).

Gracz may have hit on the best point. He told CardPLayer, "We’re out in the middle of nowhere for a reason,” Gracz said. “I just feel as though (the police) could find something better to do with 20 hours of their time."

Therein lies the rub. Obviously, any operating room is turning its nose up at the law. However, it's a law that few people--even most state agents--really don't care much about. Agents have to do their jobs and make the bust, but the end result is a bunch of people getting misdemeanor tickets that are the equivalent of a speeding ticket. Oh, and a lot of headlines.

The end result of these busts is often the same. The charges against the players usually go nowhere. According to CardPlayer, the last time Gracz was busted in North Carolina, the charges ended up getting dropped.

Here in G-Vegas, cases sit in the Pending file for ages. The most recent bust here was two years ago when a dozen or so local players were busted in a small, suburban neighorhood clubhouse tournament. While everyone in that case was cuffed, searched, and removed of most of their posessession, the case has still never been resolved. This is primarily because prosecutors are in a tough spot. South Carolina gambling laws are so antiquated that actually trying this case will likely either result in an unwanted acquittal or a consitutional challenge that would make lawmakers really uncomfortable.

There are a lot of discussions that could be spawned from this raid, but we'll save those for another day. However, I can't let it go without mentioning one point that stuck in my gut. The concept of a fully operational kitchen in the North Carolina case was a bit overblown. While the room did offer crock pot fare and sandwiches, it was not serving four-course meals and cooking food-to-order. If ALE agents want real poker room food, I can take them to at least two places that cater meals for their players (would you believe I actually saw a turkey carved in a room one night?).

Sure, it's not a huge point, but, damn it, there's a difference.

Thanks to R. for the info.

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While I agree with most of this, I probably come strangely on the other side of the Don't the Police Have Something Better to Do argument. Maybe that's right for the public's well-being, but if you're an officer, isn't busting a "Poker Ring/Underground Casino" just about the safest thing you could do to get publicity that you are fighting crime? Alot easier to get TV cameras there for this than to head straight for some crystal meth lab or other likely place where weapons would be ready to defend their assets.

Posted by: cc at September 12, 2007 9:37 AM

Good comment. I come down on the other side of "Don't They Have Anything Better to Do" as well, but for a different reason. It's a childish argument, and I'm tired of hearing it, especially because it's usually uttered by some self-absorbed jackhole.

Otis has a point: these guys aren't hurting anybody, it is a law hardly anyone cares to enforce, and the penalties handed down are minimal to non-existent.

Here's my point: Illegal is illegal, and if the police know about something illegal going on they should do their job and stop it, because that's what I pay them for. If you undertake an illegal activity in such a way that it's an easy bust, then you should expect to get busted easily. Period. Don't try to make it look like the police are somehow not doing there job.

Personally, I don't think take-a-rake poker should be illegal. I think we should be able to have poker rooms in my state. But it IS illegal, and until the law is changed then cops should enforce it just like any other law. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there smoking crack and beating their girlfriends that think those activities should be legal, too, but that doesn't mean the cops should ignore them. Mike Gracz skirted the law and got caught. He'll get a slap on the wrist and maybe a small fine. Perfectly fair. No problem with that at all.

Ah, but then he has to throw in a comment about the cops. The cops should have better things to do? Now, that's a problem for me. The fact that he doesn't THINK it should be illegal or that it's not worth a police officer's time to pursue it is beside the frigging point.

If he's so worried about how police officers spend their time, here's an idea: take your $2.8 million or whatever and go back to Vegas, stop breaking the law in North Carolina, and then they won't have to waste their time arresting you, and then they can spend that time chasing pedophiles or something.

This is not a rant about gambling or poker, but about worn-out arguments like this. I like playing poker. I enjoy sitting around a table in someone's house and throwing some chips around. Small scale Social (no rake) poker in private residences is, if not legal, at least widely ignored by law enforcement in South Carolina. I can play any time I want to with little risk of arrest or bodily harm. The problem arises when you want to play on a larger, more casino-like scale than that. At that point, you either move to a state with legal gambling or you take your chances just like anyone else who breaks the law.

Bottom line: For anybody who chooses to frequent one of these underground establishments, I hope you don't get caught. If you do get caught, I'm glad that you will most probably get a slap on the wrist, because that's all you really deserve. Feel free to bitch about your bad luck and how much the whole thing sucks. Just don't go acting like law enforcement has done anything other than the job that they are paid to do.

Posted by: Otit at September 12, 2007 1:32 PM

Hang in there cuz i know you r innocent..... we all are .....we all love u anyway go Bulldogs Big Timmer

Posted by: Tim Lewallen at September 23, 2007 7:12 AM
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