If the UFP crew had to collectively select their favorite all-time band, I have little doubt that it would be Eddie From Ohio. After my last session at the Coushatta Casino, it was a little bit ironic that the song playing as I started my car was EFO's Bookends.
Between my first and my last hand, I racked up a cool $900 profit. The game is soft, as usual. But that doesn't mean there's no risk. The game is in the cards. And they don't always fall my way. I may be The Luckbox, but no one is always lucky. So why don't you tell me what you would have done?
First hand of the night... the very first hand... I look down at Cowboys.
"Alright," I thought, "nice way to get rolling."
I'm in the cutoff and, after one limper, I raise it from $5 to $20. I was more than disappointed to see the SB, the BB and the limper all call. I suppose it was the first hand, so I couldn't exactly expect respect just yet.
The flop comes down QJ8, two clubs. Not the greatest flop imaginable, but I had position, so I'd get to see how they all acted first.
The SB checked and the BB stacked $60 in the pot. It was a solid bet and I didn't know where to put the guy. What I didn't notice was that he only left himself $20 behind. The limper folded to me and I called. The SB also called. There was $320 in the pot.
The turn was the 10 of clubs. Like an amatuer, I had to peek at my cards. One of the Kings was a club. That meant I was open ended with the second nut flush draw. The SB immediately pushed for his last $120 and the BB wasted no time in callign for his last $20. With $440 in the pot, I needed to call $120 with no future risk to see the river.
Your thoughts? I'll get back to this hand in a moment.
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My last hand of the night, I'm sitting in the BB when I look down at pocket 9s. UTG and UTG+1 both limp. The SB raises it to $30. He's relatively short. I call and both limpers call as well.
The flop is 679 rainbow. I've flopped top set.
The SB fires out $30 leaving him just about $50 behind. I raise to $75, hoping to isolate him, knowing he's likely just playing overcards and firing out a continuation bet.
"One seventy-five," UTG says.
That surprised me. Suddenly I have to decide what to do. He's got another $375 behind him. I've got him well covered. It's folded back around to me.
Your thoughts? I'll get back to this hand in a moment.
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So it's $120 into a $440 pot. I could hardly fold at this point. I didn't figure I was ahead, but I had outs. I had to hope that any club was a win. It was a pretty long shot that an Ace or and 9 was a winner, too, but it was hard to count on that. If I was gonna be realistic, I had 7 outs, at most, and I might already be drawing dead.
I called and found out the BB was holding T9o and had flopped the mortal nuts. The SB was holding 76c and had turned the flush. I had my 7 outs, but none of them hit and I was down $200 to start the session.
My biggest mistake was, once again, not paying attention. Had I seen the BB had just $20 left, I likely would have raised at least another $60 and that may have pushed out the flush draw. It may not have, but after the turn, he wasn't going anywhere. That move may have saved me $100.
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So I'm sitting on top set and facing a $100 re-re-raise to my $45 re-raise. With the pre-flop action, I had to figure I had the best hand at this point. Frankly, I wasn't sure how I was supposed to be afraid of 58 or T8.
I thought for a bit and put him on a range that included: 66, 77, 67s, 88 or A8s. With that in mind, there was only one choice. I put him all in.
He went in the tank.
"That's great news," I thought. There's no way he flopped a straight.
"Runner-runner spade?" he asked, "Will that do it for me?"
Huh? What the hell does that mean? It certainly eliminates 66, 77 and 88 from the conversation. I suppose he could have 67s, but I didn't think it as likely. I suppose that left just A8s. If that was the case, I really, really, really liked my chances.
Finally, he decided to flip his cards without mucking.
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Let me interject here for a moment that I detest this move. It's angle shooting. Period. It's designed not only to get a reaction from the other player left in the hand, but it gives a player a chance to get some help from the rest of the table merely by looking at them. I guess I could have called for the floor, but they wouldn't have done anything about it. The damage was done.
But I digress...
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He showed 85s. He flopped the straight. What the hell was the difficulty in calling? Apparently he thought I held T8.
He thought awhile longer before finally calling the clock on himself. All I could think was what a jackass he was. Obviously, he called. And the dealer failed to pair the board for me. I was out $580 on the hand.
It was a rough way to start and a rough way to end. Thank goodness things went so well in the middle. I'd take a $120 profit over a loss any day of the week.
I think flipping cards up when heads-up is a legal move. Just like asking questions of your opponent. I agree, it's a move to acquire information, but I guess I'm leaning against calling it angle shooting.
More experienced players may like to offer their opinion.
Posted by: BadBlood at April 24, 2007 7:23 AM"Let me interject here for a moment that I detest this move. It's angle shooting. Period"
I can't disagree more. This is a legitimate move that I make...heads up...fairly often. I need all the information I can get before calling off my entire stack.
That said....given the action...OF COURSE you thought you were good with a set of 9s there...and OF COURSE he called.
Posted by: G-Rob at April 24, 2007 1:24 PMI fall in the middle. C.J. has a point about being able to get some sort of read on the OTHER players. However, if the rules allow for showing your heads-up opponent a hand, the rules allow it.
Only hope for change is getting the rules changed...which ain't likely.
I wouldn't have been so pissed about him flipping his hand up as taking so long to call.
Posted by: Otis at April 24, 2007 1:32 PMWow, its like a mini Triclops piece.
Posted by: Chilly at April 24, 2007 4:15 PMHaha... I miss Tri-Clops...
I guess my question is this: If it's against the rules to announce what you hold in your hand, then why should it be legal to show it? It's clear to me that one of the reasons he did it was to get a feeling from the rest of the table about what he should do... and it was clear from their reactions that he would have been an idiot to fold.
Posted by: Luckbox at April 24, 2007 5:11 PMIn my opinion, the play of the card flip is a bit too "TV show-boaty" to be something I will ever like or do. Having said that, I've never seen any TD, floor personnel or game host do anything about it ever.
I think G-Rob hit it on the head with, "I can't disagree more. This is a legitimate move that I make...heads up...fairly often. I need all the information I can get before calling off my entire stack."
It is legitimate and can be used. But I think the "head's up" is the key to seeing Luckbox's point of view. By my count, there are at least two others sitting at the table. That is information that Luckbox does not deserve to have made available to UTG when it is out of his control.
I guess my point is, I see "Head's up" as the defining moment for the ruling to kick in on card flipping. Mano-a-Mano, use what you can on each other to gain the advantage needed to win. If there's even one other player at the table, use your reading skills like everbody else has to. No one should be able to utilize information from anyone elses actions or expressions because of a flip.
Therefore I vote in favour of a flip being considered acceptable play, only in true head's up play between the last two players sitting at a table in a freeze-out.
And to you luckbox, I say thanks for the stimulating subject matter.
You should realize that you're on to something when your first three responses are from blood, G-Rob and Otis HUH???
Posted by: Bam-Bam at April 25, 2007 11:09 AM