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May 8, 2005

Bad Poker

by G-Rob

So you've climbed the mountain, scraped and bruised, in search of the ultimate answer. You've searched 10,000 blogs in search of the ONE. Where is the mighty mind of poker Utopia? Where is the Oracle of the Blessed Flop? Where is the one person who has a clear unbiased mind?

Here it is baybee....and Otis can't give you what you want. In fact, I believe he's on the next mountain over, screaming something about a deposit bonus on another site.

THE ULTIMATE QUESTION

Not to go all Douglas Adams on you here, but we should start with the question first. When I was a college sophomore I changed my major to Philosophy. I figured there was no better way to earn a college degree while freeing up as many as 23 1/2 hours a day for non-school diversions. I remember sitting in the very first class, the introduction to Classical Philosophy with my buddy Clancy. Our question : "What are the damn questions?"

Anyhoo

We can debate till Otis grows hair about which poker site is the best place to play. Most blogs have a favorite. Many of them reinforce the belief with a bit of affiliate whoring. (I refuse to believe that this influences their feelings) Turth is : there are a lot of very decent sites where you can and will win money with little or no aggrevation. Truth is : once we've discovered the dozens of sites that are all acceptably good the next decision..which is best...is just plain aesthetic preference right?

So perhaps the better question is : "Which site is worst?"

Friends, I know the answer. It ain't pretty.

Now there are those of you who will yell Pacific. The software IS lousy.
There are some who will say Poker Stars. You know this isn't true but you say it because it makes Otis mad. Because mad-Otis IS funny, I give partial credit for this answer. I've played on sites where the money is slow and difficult to retrieve. I've played on sites where the players are so bad, slot macheines would be more strategic. BUT ONLY ONE SITE CAN REALLY BE THE WORST!

It actually pains me a bit to say it. Many of you show up at a home game with THIER card protector. They showed up at the last blogger convo in Vegas. They seemed so DAMN polite. But, folks, its all a sham because

CHECK N RAISE POKER IS THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET!!!

I hate it. I won't be back. Lets not go endlessly on about the buggy software. Its all browser based so there is nothing to download. That's a plus in my book. But the software collapses in nearly every ring game. Almost daily I, or an opponent at my table, will see all buttons "dissappear" in the middle of a hand. That means with money on the table post-flop time runs out without the option of checking betting or folding. The software folds you automatically. I've lost money that way. The site host says "They're working on it." They've been working on it for months. It ain't fixed.

And that's if you find a game. You almost certainly WILL NOT. At any given time there are, at most, about a dozen players there. They're all playing nickel and dime NL. On some nights they do get 5 or 6 players together for a 2/4 limit game, but its hardly worth a deposit for the 6 day waiting period there. They do offer sit-n-go tourneys but there's never enough players. They do offer scheduled tourneys but they have a minimum of 9 players and they never get that many. But look at it this way...play NL there for a day or 2 and your could win a phone call and a nice cup of coffee.

AND HERE'S THE PART THE REAAAAALY PISSED ME OFF!

The other stuff is really typical of a struggling site. I'm sure they'd LIKE to have more players. That isn't their fault. But they DO have control over their online behavior and for THIS there is no excuse.

You may have seen my post below. Its a link to a story I did on BadBlood and online poker. It's from the company website with a text version of the story attached.

Well. Our friends at THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET stole that text story comlete with actual BADBLOOD quotes..actually attributed to him...and posted it on their site as "Poker News". They didn't like to my station. They didn't credit my station. Instead the posted this byline : "By : STAFF".

That's right a-holes....MY STAFF! Not your's.

I wrote an e-mail on the feedback page and very politely asked them to either remove the article or give it a proper credit. They ignored my request. Two days later I sent a second e-mail, again with a polite tone, but with somewhat more direct language. This was also ignored. Now, frankly, I was more upset about them ignoring my e-mails that I was about the damn story.

Today I used the "Page Host" function from a table to try and get a response. I was told there was nothing he could do. Folks, stealing copy from a TV station without credit is AGAINST THE LAW! But, I digress.

Here's the damn bottom line ( I curse here to indicate my growing furor even as I type ) :

Don't EVER deposit money at CHECK N RAISE poker. You will lose it the moment the site collapses. The site will collapse because with the current structure and poplarity of the site they can't possibly be making money.

Also, they are bastards. That counts for something.

| G-Rob's Thoughts
Comments

Yes, but where else can you take $25 that was GIVEN to you for free and turn it into several hundred dollars? Checknraise. I will cashout ASAP :)

Posted by: BadBlood at May 8, 2005 3:35 PM

That sucks, man.

I mean, if anyone's going to exploit the mini-Bloods for fun and profit, it should be BadBlood, and last I heard, the WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET doesn't have him on the payroll.

Oh, and yeah, they stole your content, too. :)

Sorry, don't mean to be glib about that. I can't believe they're so lame as to steal content. Maybe your station can sue them for fun and profit.

Posted by: StudioGlyphic at May 8, 2005 4:30 PM

That's about as lame as it gets...

Let's all bring our Check N Raise card protectors to Vegas and throw them off the top of the Stratosphere! :-)

Posted by: CJ at May 8, 2005 4:36 PM

That's a great idea, CJ, though from that height I imagine the card protector will approach bullet speed by the time it hits the ground, and some poor schlock is gonna have a card protector splitting the left and right sides of his brain, and... wait, I've seen this one! Hilarity ensues.

Oh, and if BB is going to spend his WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET winnings on some strippers anyway, maybe it'll have a greater symbolic virtue to write "Blood Money" on each bill and toss that from the tower, too.

Posted by: StudioGlyphic at May 8, 2005 4:41 PM

CnR just gave me $25 to "come back"... how do people who are so blatant in their dishonesty live with themselves?? I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!

Posted by: Maudie at May 8, 2005 4:49 PM

Just dumped my $25.25 - but it wasn't easy to intentionally play really bad poker - lol. I know that was a pitiful thing to do - but I didn't want to waste the time necessary to earn enough "points" and $$ to cash out. I am done with 'em and someone else can enjoy the bounty.

Posted by: Maudie at May 8, 2005 5:26 PM

Glyph, sounds like a great idea. I'll cash out right now!

ssssssssssssssssssstripperzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

Posted by: BadBlood at May 8, 2005 5:42 PM

No matter how you try...bad poker is something that no one can get away from...

Posted by: kendall at May 8, 2005 6:06 PM

Your wish is my command.

Posted by: Lefty at May 8, 2005 8:14 PM

What the hell is Kendall talking about? I was saddened to read this post, and not because I hold anything against G-Rob's actions. His reasoning seems sound to me, BUT I do think we need to give more than a little credit to C'n'R for buying into us bloggers when nobody else took the time or effort to do so back in December. They hooked us up, so at a minimum we shouldn't go waaay too far out of our collective way to hurt their business. Cashout, don't come back, whatever, but don't go nuclear. Just get proper revenge and call it a day.

And on a much happier note, I'll second the "sssssssstriperzzzzzzzzzzz" comment by BB. Mmmm, Vegas...

Posted by: -EV at May 8, 2005 9:39 PM

But that's the thing EV. I really thought there WAS something different about CNR. They WERE good to us in Vegas last year and I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But why would a site with so little action actually taking place ignore such a simple request TWICE?

Why not respond?

The site is in SERIOUS trouble anyway so the advice...not to put your money there is financially sound.

And I will not trust a site that ignores custormer feedback.

Posted by: G-Rob at May 8, 2005 9:44 PM

They wanted to identify with an influential group. Bloggers bought into it. We didnt attrach the players they thought we might.

Any attention is better than no attention.

Posted by: TenMile at May 9, 2005 6:57 AM

I think it's funny. A news person feeling exploited. Ha ha ha ha. Oh, the irony.

Posted by: TeamScottSmith at May 9, 2005 7:19 AM

They were on my list of "to be whored" sites.

Thanks for the heads-up G-Rob.

Posted by: Drizztdj at May 9, 2005 7:23 AM

TeamScottSmith beat me to the punch.

It does suck to have someone blatantly steal your work, though. Perhaps if you stole something blatantly from Otis, like say his car, you would feel better...(and you'd get to see "mad otis" to boot)

Posted by: marty at May 9, 2005 8:23 AM

Word thieves are the worst thieves.

Posted by: Uncle Ted at May 10, 2005 1:36 AM
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